Saturday, January 3, 2026

Fr. Raymond Brown a victim of form-critical dissectionism

 


 

 

by

 

Damien F. Mackey

 

 

 

“Rather than trying to see unity between Matthew and Luke,

or between them and the other evangelists, [Fr. Brown]

frequently emphasizes division or non-coherence …”.

 

Michael E. Giesler

 

 

 

 

Michael Giesler’s comment here, concerning a focus upon the negative, is exactly the sort of thinking that had prompted me to comment as follows, in my recent article:

 

Righteous Origins of the Magi

 

(3) Righteous Origins of the Magi

 

…. I had a crack at Catholic (priest) exegetes – and this applies …  to Fr. Raymond Brown, as well – wh0 will criticise the Bible for a presumed problem, instead of trying to find a solution that saves the scriptural inerrancy, as would be their vocation. I wrote:

 

No wonder then that, on this basis, The Jerusalem Bible says that “the geography [of the Book of Tobit] is inexact”; while Fr. D. Dumm (article, “Tobit”) in The Jerome Biblical Commentary, exclaims that:

 

“[The angel] Raphael knows the journey of life

far better than the route to Media!”

 

Unfortunately, though, Fr. Dumm just leaves it at that, without being willing, or able, to defend the accuracy of the Bible with a proper explanation of what is happening here.

….

 

This shows a lack of faith - learned priests treating the scriptures as documents to be cleverly dissected, rather than striving to unearth the truths underlying them.

[End of quote]

 

Brown's Birth Of The Messiah . . . Revisited

by Michael E. Giesler

 

Description

A critique of the assumptions behind Raymond Brown's 1977 analysis of the infancy narratives, which called their historicity into question.

 

Larger Work

Homiletic & Pastoral Review

 

Pages

16 - 24

 

Publisher & Date

Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA, February 2001

 

Though this book (Raymond Brown, Birth of the Messiah, New York City, 1977, 594 pp.) has already been reviewed many times, it is worth revisiting for the purpose of understanding it more clearly. Father Brown (may he rest in peace) has had a great influence on Catholic seminaries and biblical studies in the United States. He may have been quite sincere in his studies and efforts, and doubtless he had great empirical erudition, but I do think that questionable assumptions and implications remain in his book — particularly those that cast doubt on the historical value of the infancy narratives in the gospels of Saints Matthew and Luke.

 

The book is obviously the result of long and extensive research, with sources that mostly come from authors of the historical-critical school over the last 100 years. His analysis of the annunciation patterns in Matthew and Luke is presented with detail, along with his various textual and linguistic commentaries.

 

Towards the beginning he explains that one of his purposes in analyzing the infancy narratives is to defend them against the "rationalistic scoffing" (p. 25) of those who see little value in them because they deny their historical character. While he too doubts their historical character, he adapts — knowingly or unknowingly — a method similar to that of Rudolf Bultmann, who wished to defend the gospels in general against mockery by using the process of "de-mythologizing": the attempt to separate what was historical in the gospels from what was mythical. Brown uses the concept of "theologizing," that is, he is of the opinion that while we cannot know the historical certainty of the infancy narratives, we can identify their Christology — which is the main message of the evangelists.

 

He takes for granted that no one of the evangelists was an "eyewitness" (p. 27), therefore discounting the traditional view that Matthew and John were the final authors of their gospels. This idea is bolstered by his view (standard among many modern critical scholars) that Matthew and Luke were written in the 80s or 90s, thus allowing a number of years to go by so that traditions could be developed about Christ's life that would not be dependent on strict history.

 

Mackey’s comment: On this, see e.g. my article:

 

Dating the biblical books before 70 AD

 

(3) Dating the biblical books before 70 AD

 

Michael E. Giesler continues:

 

His main thesis is that in the infancy narratives Matthew and Luke are above all theologians, who wrote their accounts in the light of a post-resurrectional theology of Christ.

 

He was the Messiah of the Old Testament and the Son of God — and therefore his conception and childhood had to be marvelous. This view distinguishes them from Mark and John, who tell us nothing about the birth and childhood of Christ.

 

His methodology is the strict application of the historical-critical method, as he states in footnote 2 of the Introduction. In his presentations, at least initially, he does not take into account later statements of the Magisterium or the Fathers of the Church, but restricts himself to the texts at hand, or ancient documents from secular or Jewish sources such as the dead sea scrolls. He obviously thinks that this is the scientific and empirical way to do Scripture studies, and that it is truly ecumenical as well. Only later in his analysis does he consider Magisterial statements, in a somewhat secondary way. For this reason he frankly admits that he sees "no reason why a Catholic's understanding of what Matthew and Luke meant in their infancy narratives should be different from a Protestant's" (p. 9).

 

Brown brings the same dichotomy — separating the texts from their traditional comprehension in the Catholic Church — to the study of the gospel texts themselves. Rather than trying to see unity between Matthew and Luke, or between them and the other evangelists, he frequently emphasizes division or non-coherence — for instance between Matthew's and Luke's genealogies, or the apparent ignorance of Matthew for the story in Luke's gospel and vice-versa, or the different accounts of the holy family's return to Nazareth. He frequently brings up Mark's text about Jesus' relatives and Mary (Mark 3:21, 31), which he thinks shows them to be outside of the circle of Jesus' followers. Because of these perceived tensions, he questions the historicity of the infancy narratives — thereby reinforcing his central vision of their theological message and design.

 

I don't think that the book proves one of its main assumptions, namely, that the oldest preaching about Christ concerned his death and resurrection, then his ministry, then only later his childhood.

 

If the Greek Matthew draws content from the lost original in Aramaic, and from Mark (as many modern scholars believe), why couldn't the Mathaean infancy narrative have been in the Aramaic original? Or in an ancient Q source (Q, short for the German Quelle, meaning "source": in this case referring to a collection of words or discourses that the evangelists had before them)? Or why couldn't the tradition of the virgin birth have been transmitted very early in the Jerusalem community by Mary and others — and only later recorded by Luke? In other words, there is no reason to imply that the virginal conception was simply a Christological statement of later times. Because of its intimate, less public nature it makes sense that the virginal conception would not have formed the primary part of early Christian preaching at first (as exemplified in Acts 10: 34-43); but later on, with greater reflection on Scripture, and with the entry of more women into the Church, it was recorded and included more in apostolic preaching since it presented the complete message about Christ, God and man.

 

I believe that his questioning of the historicity of many passages is itself problematic.

 

For instance, he questions the historicity of the Annunciation to Mary because of the stereo-typical literary form used (p. 296). Yet he himself admits that there is not much more choice than to describe an angel's appearance in certain ways. I would also say that the fact that the Lucan annunciation is like other angelic messages in the Old Testament supports its historicity, rather than puts it into doubt. God truly intervenes in history through his messengers, and the biblical form for describing these interventions is more or less constant. The same could be said of Old Testament persons or events that are fulfilled in the New.

 

The author looks at these only in terms of literary sources, not as real persons or events who prefigure others, as the Fathers of the Church looked at them. It is true, as Brown points out, that there is a resemblance between the birth of Moses, savior of his people, and Jesus the Messiah — insofar as there is an evil ruler involved (Pharaoh in Moses' case, Herod in Jesus' case, both of whom destroy children) — but this does not mean that Matthew's account of Herod's murder of the children is a literary invention. It simply means that corrupt kings act in a similar way throughout history, and the innocent often suffer. The same could be said of the Balaam-Magi correspondence to which the author refers frequently. The Magi are not a pious literary development because they have some similarity to Old Testament Balaam, the foreigner who blesses Israel and who speaks of a star coming forth from Jacob, or a scepter from Israel (Num. 24:17); rather, one could truly assert that the Magi historically represent the fulfillment of the Balaam event. In other words, it is clear that mere literary similarity does not mean fabrication, or a reason for questioning the historicity of an event.

 

Brown also makes much of a presumed first century Haggadic midrash (a Jewish commentary on the Old Testament that embellishes texts for the moral edification of the people) which speaks of the Pharoah having a dream that predicts the birth of Moses. Apart from the fact that the nature of midrash in the first century A.D. is still quite unknown ( it is really a rabbinical technique from 2nd century A.D. onwards), and though it is pure speculation if Matthew had any access to this text, he suggests a connection of this midrash with Matthew's account of the dreams of Joseph and Herod's knowledge of the Messiah's birth, along with the dreams that the Old Testament Joseph had. Again, rather than considering these hypotheses as casting doubt on the historical value of Matthew's texts on Joseph's dreams, one could positively interpret them as affirming the way God communicates with Joseph the foster father of Jesus, just as he would communicate the future to the Joseph son of Jacob in the Old Testament.

 

As for midrashic documents in the first century which speak of supernatural dreams, they are neither an argument for or against the historical character of Joseph's dreams in Matthew's account.

 

The author is continually looking for sources or traditions (whether pre-Mathaean or pre-Lucan), to the point that the reader gets the impression that the infancy narratives are a mere literary artifice. At some points the desire to find a previous source goes beyond common sense. On page 106 for instance he interprets that the two dreams that Joseph had are indications of two "pre-Mathaean sources" — one for each dream, as well as one for each geographical destination to which Joseph is directed. But the evident and most straight-forward approach is that Matthew recorded two dreams because his source (written or verbal) described two dreams in the first place. There is no need to hypothesize about the existence of more sources, though it may appear more scholarly and sophisticated to do so. He does make a valid point, I think, in showing that the Scriptural formula citations have a certain literary form that could be more Mathaean, and therefore could have been added to a pre-existing narrative.

On page 346 he states that it is "pre-critical and naive" to say that Mary actually spoke the words of the Magnificat. Apart from the fact that this would mean that the Church's preaching tradition has been "naive" for the past 1950 years, there is no reason to suspect that a holy woman, who must have reflected on Scripture before and was moved by the Holy Spirit, could not have uttered the words of the Magnificat (or at least their substantial content) particularly in the grace-filled context of a visit to her cousin Elizabeth. And the same could be said of the canticles of Zechariah and Simeon.

 

Though in footnote 22 he states the possibility of an intervention of the Holy Spirit in the saying of these canticles, he gives no further attention to it and proceeds to the theory that he favors more: that Luke took the verses from a different source, or added some of his own. (On page 352 he states that Luke makes Mary the spokesperson for a group of "anawim" — pious Christian Jews who had been marginated or were waiting for a spiritual liberation. This theory is based on some literary similarities with Jewish documents of the time, and may indeed show one of Luke's sources, but it should not be used to put into doubt the historical value of the canticle itself).

 

In similar fashion, he holds that Mary's words at the Annunciation, "Behold the Handmaid" are really Luke's retrojection of Mary's character as known through the accounts of Christ's ministry (p. 318). In other words we do not know for certain if she really said them, but she could have said them given her later comportment. The same in his opinion would apply to her words "I do not know man"; rather than being her own words, they are the projection of Luke's Christology, which highlights the fact of God's role in the conception of Christ (p. 308). According to Brown then, Luke was not primarily interested in giving Mary's words, as he was in showing that God was the cause of Christ's conception, not a man.

 

On page 413 he states that Luke has a "confused memory" about the date of the census at Jesus' birth. Though it is true that we have no outside record of a census under Quirinius in the dates most likely for Christ's birth (6 to 3 B.C.), there is no reason to suspect Luke of inaccuracy. History does not record all the census that Augustus ordered during his reign, and perhaps there was a series of minor census that preceded the big census that is known to have taken place under Quirinius in the years 6-9 A.D.

One such census could have taken place at Bethlehem. If this were the case, why could not Luke affirm that the 6 to 3 B.C. census took place "under" Quirinius, in the sense of preceding him? There is also evidence that Quirinius could have been co-governor with Saturninus in the year 6 B.C. (see R. Ginns, St. Luke's Gospel, n. 749b in A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture, Orchard, Sutcliffe, Thomas Nelson & Sons, New York, 1953).

 

Whatever the answer to this question, we must keep in mind that historical events in Scripture are not recorded in an exact chronological way, as in a modern textbook.

 

Mackey’s comment: There is much more historical complexity to this situation, I believe. See e.g. my article:

 

Judas the Galilean vitally links Maccabean era to Daniel 2’s “rock cut out of a mountain”

 

(3) Judas the Galilean vitally links Maccabean era to Daniel 2’s “rock cut out of a mountain”

 

Michael E. Giesler continues:

 

The author's rather stringent view of biblical history can also be seen on page 513 when he states that "only the second chapters of the infancy narratives of Matthew and Luke support Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus." The logical question arises: isn't that enough? If the hagiographers are truly inspired by God, and give no indication that their words are non-historical, or that they are products of a later Christological conception or historicized "theologoumenon," as Brown puts it on page 513, why suspect the historical value of their accounts?

 

Regarding the very important issue of the virginal conception, he deals with its historicity in a problematic and questioning way, not denying it but implying that belief in it may have come about more as a result of a "post-resurrectional" theology in the Christian community — and stating that biblically at least we cannot attest to its reality. On page 527 he affirms that "the scientifically controllable biblical evidence leaves the question of the historicity of the virginal conception unresolved."

 

By "scientifically controllable" he means a tradition of identifiable witnesses not in conflict with other traditions (footnote 26a, p. 527). The problem with this line of thinking is that none of the gospel accounts have "identifiable witnesses," in the modern technical sense of the word, other than the writers themselves; with Brown's scientific controls one could question almost any of the events or facts narrated in the gospels. Unfortunately he rejects as naive or pre-critical the idea of a direct historical testimony coming from Mary or Joseph, or from Jesus' family members. He stresses the fact that no other hagiographer refers to it outside of Matthew and Luke, and that later documents of the Church about it may have been referring more to Christ's humanity than to the biological way he was conceived. But all of this kind of thinking is very minimalist, and misses the clear intent of Matthew's and Luke's gospels, along with the testimony given in the traditions of the Church from the beginning about the virginal conception. It is not "naive" to take the testimony of two evangelists as historical, especially when it is not denied by the other evangelists, and has formed part of the historical magisterium of the Church in a consistent way.

 

In speaking of the evangelists' sources he immediately discounts that the Matthaen infancy narrative could have come from Joseph and that the Lucan infancy narrative came from Mary (p. 525). He argues that the "Matthaean and Lucan annunciation accounts are developed variants of a pre-Gospel annunciation tradition"(p. 525). But if this were so, what could impede that this pre-Gospel annunciation tradition was itself based on real historical events, and that Mary and the friends and relatives of Joseph — if he was deceased at the time of Matthew's original Aramaic account — could have been the sources for the Gospel? I think that many of Brown's puzzles about the origins of the infancy narratives could be resolved with more emphasis on the original Matthaean Aramaic text; this is the obvious source for the information about Joseph, which Matthew the apostle and evangelist could have gathered from Jesus himself or from those who knew Joseph, and which was later translated into the Greek Matthew. He also excludes rather summarily James the cousin of Jesus as a good source of family traditions, connecting him too quickly with the apocryphal gospel that bears his name (p. 33), and thus doubting his possible testimony.

 

When Luke wrote his gospel he was working with a different tradition, a Marian tradition which was just as early as the Joseph tradition, and did have the context of the Anawim, or that group of prayerful and just Jews awaiting redemption.

 

Why doesn't Luke show more knowledge of Matthew's infancy account? Either because it was written after Matthew's account, and therefore it was not needed to give a complete account of Jesus' childhood, or because Luke had his own unique evangelizing message (which was based on Jerusalem and the events there), and the trip to Egypt would not be needed. The fact that Luke does not mention the slaughter of the innocents or the trip to Egypt does not put these into doubt, nor does the fact that Matthew does not mention Mary's annunciation or visitation put those in doubt. It could well be that these intimate events were revealed by Mary after Matthew wrote his early account in Aramaic (according to one tradition Mary went to heaven around the year 50, enough time for her to reveal to the apostles or to the holy women these intimate events of Christ's conception and birth).

 

In general his arguments are not convincing. He works always within the realm of speculation — a necessary condition for him since he questions that the infancy narratives were founded on eye-witness reports; therefore his major activity is one of nuance and distinction. It is neither a positive affirmation, nor a well-proven denial. The reader is continually left in a kind of exegetical limbo about the real meaning of the events of Christ's infancy; the one sure thing, according to the author, is the theology woven into it by Matthew and Luke.

 

As it stands Brown's book has underlying assumptions that make it hard to be used by a Roman Catholic who wants to see the infancy narratives in an integral way, connected with the traditions and practices of the Church. In great part this difficulty comes from Brown's initial premise: that the Bible itself can be studied as an end in itself, in only a historical-critical way, without reference to a greater context or truth. This is an unreal starting point, almost like isolating a cell of the body without its reference to the body in general.

 

Mackey’s comment: See e.g. my article:

 

Preferring P. J. Wiseman to un-wise JEDP

 

(3) Preferring P. J. Wiseman to un-wise JEDP

 

Michael E. Giesler continues:

 

The books of the Bible were obviously written within a tradition, and for a tradition — and this must always be kept in mind. In the words of Dei Verbum: "Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture form one sacred deposit of the word of God, committed to the Church. It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God's wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others" (n. 10). And again: ". . . since Holy Scripture must be read and interpreted in the same spirit in which it was written, no less serious attention must be given to the content and unity of the whole of Scripture if the meaning of the Sacred texts is to be correctly worked out. The living tradition of the whole Church must be taken into account along with the harmony which exists between elements of the faith" (n. 12).

 

Secondly, he continually argues that Matthew and Luke were more theologians than historians in the infancy narratives, and that their texts may not be based on eye-witness accounts. This view is not proven, except by inference or innuendo, and for every point that he brings up in question of historicity, another could be produced that affirms it. For instance, the fact that only Matthew speaks of the slaughter of the innocents in Bethlehem leads him to question the historicity of the account, but the knowledge of the character of King Herod affirms it. In the same way there is no reason to infer that the presence of shepherds in Luke's account is a symbolism or midrashic reflection on Old Testament texts (see pp. 420-423), when it is just as reasonable to consider that there were actually shepherds in the vicinity of Bethlehem tending their flocks when Jesus was born — most likely in the springtime, as many scholars believe.

Thirdly, and most importantly in my opinion, is his view of what can be a true literary form in the New Testament.

 

On page 534 he states that "any intelligent attempt to combine an acceptance of inspiration with an acceptance of biblical criticism must lead to the recognition that there are in the Bible fiction, parable, and folklore, as well as history."

 

Certainly parable and history are in the Bible, but the existence of fiction and folklore must be carefully proven, and if they do exist, they should be understood correctly. First of all, we should not forget the intrinsic connection between word and event which is at the very core of God's revelation to mankind. (The creation, the passover, the miracles of Jesus, the sacraments all involve both an event and a word that causes or elucidates it; this is the way that God chooses to reveal himself in history). If an interpreter thinks that there can be a literary form in the bible that is historical in appearance only, or that there could be a salvific word in the bible (such as the angel's announcement to Mary) without a true salvific event connected to it, he must examine his conclusion carefully because he could be introducing an element into Scripture which contradicts the simplicity and truthfulness of God the divine Author. In the words of Pope Pius XII in the encyclical Humani Generis: "[W]hatever of the popular narrations have been inserted into the Sacred Scripture must in no way be considered on a par with myths or other such things, which are more productions of an extravagant imagination than that of striving for that truth and simplicity which in the Sacred Books, also of the Old Testament, is so apparent . . ." (EB, n. 618). And Pope Benedict XV also warned about interpreting history in the Bible only in a figurative way (enc. Spiritus Paraclitus, n. 458).

 

This caution about the proper understanding of salvation history applies not only to the infancy narratives, but to the entire New Testament, including the miracles and especially the death and resurrection of Christ. Brown is careful never to use the word "myth" in his book, but his continual emphasis on Christology, and post-resurrectional retrojections have the result of casting the gospel narratives into a quasi-mythical light.

 

The author has no difficulty in stating that the evangelists probably used midrashic techniques, though he is careful to state that their works are not midrash, that is, mere commentaries on the Old Testament (pp. 560-561) and that they composed their gospels using a mixture of Old Testament stories, materials from Jewish traditions (as seen in Qumram documents and others), some historical events (very hard to verify), and creative imagination. But at this point we can legitimately ask him (and ourselves): is this type of literary form truly biblical, and does it fulfill what the Second Vatican Council meant when it said that Scripture faithfully records "what Jesus Christ, while living among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation"? To that he might answer that history is only one literary form, and the Holy Spirit could use many others, including fiction, folklore, or the creative imagination of the author. In defending this idea he states on page 562, "the acceptability of this approach involves a recognition that there are ways other than history by which a people can be instructed. I have little hope that those for whom history is the only biblical genre will be open to such an approach." But I think that he is begging the question here, since more traditional scholars have always recognized non-historical genres, such as allegory, poetry, parables, etc. Of course they would agree that God can instruct people with non-historical literary forms, and that such forms are also inspired, but this in no way should weaken the credibility of the great texts referring to salvation history.

 

Is there any evidence that the infancy narratives were ever considered to be a pious reflection, or a "historicized theologoumenon," that is, "the historicizing of what was originally a theological statement" in Brown's own words (p. 505)? Do any of the early Fathers of the Church reflect this view, or any of the documents of the ordinary magisterium, or the preaching to the people of God throughout the centuries? It seems very far-fetched to say that the Holy Spirit could have allowed the Church to be in the dark about the infancy narratives for so many centuries, or have allowed the piety of the people to be nourished on a mere theological-literary artifice but that now with the advent of historical-literary criticism "the real truth" about the infancy narratives has been discovered. ….

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thursday, January 1, 2026

A Coming of Jesus before the Final Coming

 



 

by

 

 Damien F. Mackey

 

 

 

Were Jesus Christ and his Apostles deluded about the Second Coming?

Did they pass on to us the wrong time-table?

 

 

 

When we compare what Jesus Christ, St. John, the author of Revelation, and St. Paul the Apostle, had to say about the “coming” of the Lord with what modern-day Christians have to say about it, we encounter a radical difference in time concept. 

 

In the first case, the pre-modern one, the emphasis is upon the shortness of time.

 

Jesus stated emphatically (Matthew 16:28; cf. Luke 9:27): Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom’.

 

According to John (Revelation 1:1a, 3): “This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon [Gk. tachos] take place .... Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near”.

 

Paul wrote similarly in various places. Here I take just 1 Thessalonians 5:23:

 

Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit, and soul, and body, all together be preserved blameless at the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ”.

 

Typical of the modern view is the ‘slingshot’ effect, sling-firing these prophecies right away from the time of Jesus Christ and squarely into our modern era.

 

For example, Fr. William Saunders has written (in “The Second Coming of the Lord and the Last Judgment”):

https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/judga2.htm

 

As Catholics, we are mindful and profess in our Creed that Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead. The Second Vatican Council's “Dogmatic Constitution on the Church” states, “Already the final age of the world is with us and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect” (No. 48). To try to grasp the when, what and how of this Second Coming and last judgment, we really need to glean the various passages in Sacred Scripture to see how our Church has interpreted them. They are united in one drama.

 

Our Lord in the Gospel spoke of His second coming. He indicated that various signs would mark the event. Mankind would suffer from famine, pestilence and natural disasters. False prophets who claim to be the Messiah will deceive and mislead people. Nations will wage war against each other. The Church will endure persecution. Worse yet, the faith of many will grow cold and they will abandon the faith, even betraying and hating one another. (Confer Mt. 24:4-14; Lk 17:22-37)

 

St. Paul describes a “mass apostasy” before the Second Coming, which will be led by the “son of perdition”, the “Man of Lawlessness”, the “adversary who exalts himself above every so-called god proposed for worship”. This “lawless one” is part of the work of Satan, and with power, signs, wonders and seductions will bring to ruin those who have turned from the truth.

 

However, “the Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and annihilate him by manifesting His own presence”. (Cf. 2 Thes 2:3-12) The Catechism affirms, “God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the last judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world” (No. 667). Our Lord will come suddenly. “The Son of Man in His day will be like the lightening that flashes from one end of the sky to the other” (Lk 17:24). St. Peter predicts, “The day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will vanish with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and all its deeds will be made manifest” (2 Pt 3:10).

 

Death will be no more. The dead shall rise and those souls who have died will be united again to their bodies. All will have a glorious, transformed, spiritualized body as St. Paul said, “He will give a new form to this lowly body of ours and remake it according to the pattern of His glorified body ...” (Phil 3:21).

 

At this time, the final, or general judgment will occur.

 

Jesus said, “Those who have done right shall rise to life; the evildoers shall rise to be damned” (Jn 5:29). Our Lord described this judgment as follows: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, escorted by all the angels of heaven, He will sit upon His royal throne and all the nations will be assembled before Him. Then He will separate them into two groups, as a shepherd separated sheep from goats” (Mt 25:31-32).

Here each person will have to account for his conduct and the deepest secrets of his soul will come to light. How well each person has responded to the prompting of God’s grace will be made clear. Our attitude and actions toward our neighbor will reflect how well we have loved our Lord. “As often as you did it for one of My least brothers, you did it for Me” (Mt 25:41).

 

Our Lord will judge us accordingly.

 

For those who have died and already have faced the particular judgment, their judgment will stand. Those living at the time of the Second Coming will receive judgment. Those who have rejected the Lord in this life, who have sinned mortally, who have no remorse for sin and do not seek forgiveness, will have condemned themselves to hell for all eternity. “By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one's works and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love” (Catechism, No. 678). The souls of the righteous will enter heavenly glory and enjoy the beatific vision and those who need purification will undergo it.

 

We do not know when the Second Coming will occur. Jesus said, “As to the exact day or hour, no one knows it, neither the angels in heaven nor even the Son, but only the Father. Be constantly on the watch! Stay awake! You do not know when the appointed time will come” (Mk 13:32-33).

[End of quote]

 

This appears to me to be a confusing, on the part of Fr. William Saunders, of the “coming” predicted by Jesus Christ in Matthew 16:28: ‘Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom’, with what is commonly known as the “Second Coming”.

 

The first of these may be regarded as a spiritual coming, when Jesus Christ returned in c. 70 AD to oversee the demise of the old Bride, harlot Jerusalem gone wrong, and to embrace his new Bride, the Church:

 

Jesus Christ came as Bridegroom

 

(5) Jesus Christ came as Bridegroom | Damien Mackey - Academia.edu

 

The second of these is the definitive “Final Coming”, commonly referred to as the “Second Coming”.

 

(For Catholic readers, in particular, both terms are used, “Second Coming” (Our Lady) and “Final Coming” (Jesus) - this latter was spoken of by Jesus, the Divine Mercy, to Sister Faustina: ‘You will prepare the world for My final coming’. (Diary 429).

 

As the Americans say, Let’s do the math.

 

First: “In the Gospels the Lord shows us that his first coming was in humility, as a Servant, to free the world from sin”.

http://www.ewtn.com.au/devotionals/mercy/coming.htm

 

Second: His soon-to-take-place “coming” as gleaned from the quotes above, follows that one.

 

Last: There is yet to be a Final Coming, as indicated by the Catechism: “God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the last judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world” (No. 667). The Last Judgment.

 

“Must Soon Take Place”

 

Revelation is a book of urgency. The events it describes were to happen soon.

When the Bible says “soon”, it means soon, as in the case of the birth of Isaiah’s Immanuel - not in the Third Millennium! We learn that lesson when we start reading Revelation at its beginning.

 

Plato, in The Republic, had stated an important maxim: “The beginning is the most important part of the book”, and this principle holds a special significance for the would-be interpreter of Revelation.

“Unfortunately”, as Kenneth L. Gentry Jr. has rightly noted (TEMPORAL EXPECTATION IN REVELATION):

 https://postmillennialismtoday.com/2013/12/02/temporal-expectation-in-revelation/ “too many prophecy enthusiasts leap over the beginning of this book, never securing a proper footing for the treacherous path ahead”.

 

The key to Revelation is found in St. John’s beginning, as quoted above.

 

 

But, in case we missed it, John repeats this soon-ness at the very end (22:6):

 

The angel said to me, ‘These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirit of the prophets, sent His angel; to show His servants the things that must soon take place’ .... Then he told me, ‘Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near’.

 

Hearing from God: Left vs. Right Brain | Bishop E. Bernard Jordan | Power  of Prophecy

 

Just as it would have been senseless for Isaiah’s “sign” for king Ahaz to have been something that would not occur until 700 years later, so would John the Evangelist, according to Gentry: “... be taunting [the churches] mercilessly if he were discussing events two thousand or more years distant. God answers the anxious cry “How long?” by urging their patience only a “little while longer” (6:10-11). Revelation promises there will no longer be “delay” (10:6).

 

The angel’s command to St. John not to seal up the scroll is also tellingly in favour of this “soon” interpretation.

 

The prophet Daniel, by contrast, had been commanded by the angel to keep his “words secret and the book [scroll] sealed until the time of the End”, because the things Daniel was shown were not to happen for a long time - in the time of the Apostles’ generation.

 

For Our Lord Jesus Christ himself had, during his important Olivet Discourse when facing the Temple of Jerusalem, referred to the “abomination that makes desolate of which the prophet Daniel spoke” (Matthew 24:15; cf. Mark 14:13).

 

We know from Josephus’s history that the Roman armies of Cestius Gallus, that came up to (and surrounded) Jerusalem in 66 AD, and had all but conquered the city, had suddenly, most strangely, retreated. Even Josephus recognised the hand of Providence in this most unexpected turnabout. Many Jews, he said, fled the city at the time - no doubt e.g. those obedient to Jesus Christ’s Olivet warning. And Josephus is correct in seeing this intermission as only intensifying the pressure ultimately, so that with the return of the Roman armies the final destruction of Jerusalem, when it came (in c. 70 AD), would be total. Thus would be fulfilled Our Lord’s prophecy that ‘Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled’ (Luke 21:24).

 

St. John recalls this in Revelation 11:2: “But exclude the outer court [of the Temple]; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months”.

 

As Kenneth Gentry has observed: “... the trampling of the temple in AD 70 (Dan. 9:26-27) after its “abomination” (9:27; cf. Matt. 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-21) ends the Gentiles’ ability to stamp out the worship of God. In Daniel 9:24-27, Matthew 23:38-24:2, and Revelation 11:1-2, the “holy city” and its Temple end in destruction”.

 

But how do the “times of the Gentiles” relate to the forty-two months of Revelation 11:12)?

Well, according to one view, the period would range from the spring of 67 AD - when Emperor Nero sent his general, Vespasian, to put down the revolt of the Jews - to August 70 - when the Romans breached the inner wall of Jerusalem, transforming the Temple and city into a raging inferno: a period of forty-two months.

 

The five months of Revelation 9:5 pertain specifically to the period when the Jewish defenders held out desperately (one might say, fanatically), from April 70 - when Titus began the siege of Jerusalem - until the crescendo at the end of August. According to Gentry (61): “This five months of the Jewish war happens to be its most gruesome and evil period” (cf. Wars, 5.1.1, 4-5; 10:5; 12:4; 13:6).

 

Until which “coming” would the Apostle John live?

 

 

Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them.

(This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said,

‘Lord, who is going to betray you?’)

When Peter saw him, he asked, ‘Lord, what about him?’

Jesus answered, ‘If I want him to remain alive until I return,

what is that to you? You must follow me’.”

 

John 21:20-22

 

 

The Apostles of Jesus Christ were the types who were never going ‘to die wondering’.

Philip, for instance (John 14:8): ‘Master, show us the Father; then we shall be content’.

And Thomas (20:25): ‘Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe’.

Now Peter: ‘Lord, what about him [John]?’

 

Jesus often met such questions with a mild rebuke.

In the case of Philip (John 14:9-11):

 

Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?

The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves’.

 

In the case of ‘Doubting Thomas’ (20:27): ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe’.

 

In the case of Peter: ‘What is that to you?’, etc.

 

But there may now arise a modern question: If, as most Christians seem to believe, Jesus has not yet come as He spoke of to his disciples - {and as they (e.g. Sts. John, Paul) wrote of with phrases like “soon”, or even “very soon”} - then how is it that the risen Jesus can say that He wanted John ‘to remain alive until I return’?

 

This statement, by the way, is perfectly in accord with what the pre-Resurrection Jesus had told his followers (Matthew 16:28): ‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom’.

 

Apparently, while Peter was not going to be one of these, John was.

 

Peter’s lifetime approximated to only the First of these comings.

John would live on until the Second of these.

We still await the Final coming of Jesus Christ.